when president obama came into office, but you almost have to let them have a point of reference, ed, so they can understand how far we have come, but, yet, still how far we've have to go and that it is taking time to do that. believe me, if we could wave a magic wand and have every single person who wants a job to have a job today, we would do it. but when this president came boo the white house, he not only was cupping into a ditch that had been created by our predecessors, but that ditch had quick sand at the bottom. >> at this point, congressman, i think really, we're at a juncture where the democrats have to go out there and stir the emotion. >> that's exactly right. >> stir the emotion and say don't give up. it's been less than two years. if it works, it works. if it doesn't it doesn't. >> ed, i'm in total agreement. we've got to go out and there say, we know we're on the path to recovery. we need you.